Talk: Burdock/Archive 1

User:Burdock/Title

Hey there

Glad you are involved in helping clean up the articles. And for future reference, rather than typing your name to sign, it's much easier and much more convenient if you type four tildes (~~~~). It will display in the same fashion as my signature at the end of this paragraph. Thanks! Wildyoda 19:07, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, no policy and you can certainly do it that way. Four just makes your name clickable, which in turn makes it easier to get to your talk page to respond. :) Wildyoda 22:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Names

Hi there, we should not keep them as their English Manga names because they are just as fake as the English Anime names. Plus when we use the movie names we have to choose to use the English dub or the Japanese dub as the Manga doesn't cover the movies and it gets very awkward. Recoome

Administrator

To become an admin, you have to be voted the power by a consensus of active users. The problem is I think you have to have a certain number of users before the votes are even valid. I'll look into it around wikia, I've read it before. I'm interested in being an admin myself for exactly what you are talking about, and particularly deleting worthless stuff. I'll get back to you with more details on how many people we have to have to hold a valid election. Wildyoda 22:52, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Response here. Wildyoda 13:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Cui/Kiwi

In the FUNimation dub its Cui but in the others its Kiwi so use Kiwi Master gogeta 16:10, 8 march 2007 (GMT)

Fusion Reborn page

Hi, hope you don't mind me erasing the entire summary on that page as I'll work on it soon. =) KayChase

In response to the message you left me at Wikipedia

Sorry, I don't have enough knowledge of Wiki-markup to help you create the same template as the one on Wikipedia. Maybe you can ask someone else who knows a bit more about templates, like User:1ne himself. Cheers! ~~Eugene2x ^{Sign here} ☺ ~~ from Wikipedia / 208.127.113.46 03:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

The reason the template isn't working here is that it doesn't really follow the normal sort of thing that CSS is designed to do; it tries to cause the new title to be superimposed above the old one. One reason that it isn't going to work is that it relies on some Wikipedia-specific coding (the div.topicon trick) to try and prevent it breaking in skins other than Monobook; this won't work here, because the site-wide CSS here is different. I've edited it to a customized version specifically for this wikia; use it as {{User:Burdock/Title|Burdock}}. Hope that helps! Ais523 07:59, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Template:Talkheader

I fixed the template [1]. This happened because the template on Wikipedia used a system-wide style definition ("messagebox standard-talk"), which is defined in wikipedia:MediaWiki:Common.css. So I just copied the definition from that page to the template here, and you can do a similar thing with any other template from Wikipedia. Also, administrators can edit the MediaWiki:Common.css here on this wiki if you want to use these definitions; I don't know how that works here on Wikia. 64.89.151.74 18:17, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Template

You asked Angela to create a template, If you could explain what it does I can probably create it. I worked on nearly every shared template for the Wikia Anime Project. If you really need any help in making things around here feel free to ask me, the project is working on expanding across most of the Wikia wiki which are involved in Anime (Manga, Comics, and Cartoons will be brought in, in the future to) so as the founder of the project I'd be happy to help out any Anime related wiki around. ~Dantman-local^{(Dantman|local)} Apr 1, 2007 _@ 21:40 ^(UTC)

On another note, I notice you're doing a lot of work on the repetitive task of adding {{Talkheader}} to the top of basically every talk page on the wiki. It's not something I'd usually ask anyone to do, so if the community is up for it I can request bot flags for the bot I handle to be extended here and I can setup a bot to do all that work on it's own for you. ~Dantman-local^{(Dantman|local)} Apr 1, 2007 _@ 21:54 ^(UTC)

Creating a template like that doesn't actually have a point on a Wikia wiki. It won't make things start to work right. In the case of templates using that template you should just delete the text including that template and come up with your own categorization. That's only used on Wikimedia projects to deal with the extreme size and hard to maintain standards. Because Wikia wikis are smaller things like that aren't needed. If there's a type of template you're wanting you can ask me to come up with one, there are plenty at Anime:Category:Templates. Also, any Wikia which joins the WAP automatically gets the templates in Anime:Category:Templates/shared shared to the wiki. Wikipedia also uses some things which are different from here. Many things don't work here which work on Wikipedia because they have extra css classes to do things, and things such as tidy are enabled there. As for the bots, I basically use the Pywikipediabot framework. With a bot it basically means there's a user account which is controlled by a script which is used to run a repetitive task. Examples of simple tasks that can be done easily by bot are; adding categories to a number of pages or replacing some type of content on a large number of pages. For example, if the entire wiki had the mistake of Gouhan instead of Gohan then a simple use of the replace.py bot could replace every Gouhan with a Gohan across the entire wiki. For that talk thing, all I'd do is make a simple script which would run through all the pages in the main namespace and then on the talkpage for each one it would check if that text had already been added, if it's not there the bot could then save the page with that template tag at the top. As for the administrator thing, there's no normal board for choosing admins, really people become an admin when they found or adopt a Wikia or when another admin promotes them. I'll make a forum topic on the subject to see if anyone is against the idea of me being made Sysop, and if no-one is against it then It's a simple case of me asking the community staff for the tags. Talk of the WAP can finish after that. ~Dantman-local^{(Dantman|local)} Apr 3, 2007 _@ 05:36 ^(UTC)

Sysop, Bureaucrat, and Rollback are 3 MediaWiki tags which can be applied to a user. Sysop is usually associated with an admin and Bureaucrat with a higher admin such as a founder or head. The basic breakdown is that the Sysop tag allows a user to use various actions such as Delete, Protect, Undelete, Block, editing stuff in the MediaWiki: namespace to change the look of the wiki, and the Rollback function. Bureaucrat allows a User to give someone the Sysop tag and additionally if wanted the Bureaucrat tag to. They can also give and remove the Rollback flag from someone which allows someone to use Rollback without needing to have administrator powers. There's no test, per-say for becoming an admin, it's merely a state of the community's feelings. Handling Sysop powers is a little different than doing normal editing, there's a strong responsibility to not going to far with them. If you want, if I'm given the tags then I can watch your editing and interaction with the community to see how you might handle the powers. More than one admin isn't really needed right away, especially with how active I am, the wiki will do fine with just me doing whatever admin tasks the community needs for awhile. ~Dantman-local^{(Dantman|local)} Apr 3, 2007 _@ 06:15 ^(UTC)

It would be helpful if you could get users to vist Promoting an Administrator and Joining the WAP. If we're lucky things will resolve here around the same time as in the MMKB and I can request things in bulk to save the Community Staff and Tech Team some extra work. ~Dantman-local^{(Dantman|local)} Apr 6, 2007 _@ 03:52 ^(UTC)

Ok, you talk to Wildyoda and I'll notify the other users because the forums aren't very viewed right now. I also added a point form summary to the topic to clear things up. p.s. It's alright to click the local link beside my talk link. Even though the current Wikia wide Message Notification system which tells you if you have a new message on a different Wikia is down, I still watch over the Recentchanges here like I do with the other wiki, so I'll catch your messages just as fine. ~Dantman-local^{(Dantman|local)} Apr 7, 2007 _@ 05:46 ^(UTC)

Sorry burdock, I can't actually do anything until at least 2 or 3 of the most active contributors give an ok at Promoting an Administrator, Joining the WAP would help to. ~Dantman-local^{(Dantman|local)} Apr 11, 2007 _@ 04:10 ^(UTC)

Leaving feedback at Promoting an Administrator and Joining the WAP is the only way of me proving to the Central Wikia Staff that the DB Wiki is alright with me being given Sysop and Bureaucrat status, and similarly stating if the DB Wiki is ok with the AnimeBot and the WAP. Without that they won't grant a request to promote me. WikiProject Dragon Ball has nothing to do with the Dragon Ball Wiki. Wikia and Wikimedia are two completely different companies. Wikipedia has no say in what goes on here. WikiProject Anime and manga also has no say in what goes on in the Wikia Anime Project. WikiProject Anime and manga and WikiProject Dragon Ball are Wikipedia projects, and the Wikia Anime Project is a Wikia project headed by me, and the Dragon Ball Wiki is a Wikia wiki. The WAP only covers Wikia wiki, and the WikiProject Anime and manga has no control past Wikipedia. They're basically two projects within two different encyclopedia areas which have a few similar goals, but ultimately the methods used and the extent to how much they want to do about something is completely different. ~Dantman-local^{(Dantman|local)} Apr 11, 2007 _@ 05:32 ^(UTC)

I gave a bit of a reply to what you said on my talkpage at Joining the WAP instead so that the community can see it to. ~Dantman-local^{(Dantman|local)} Apr 11, 2007 _@ 06:09 ^(UTC)

The reason I removed the Bold was because I added more to that text. And it went over what I'd call a limit. There's a limit to how much content you can bold before it starts making the page and content real, real ugly and distracting in a negative way. So I had to pull off the bold. ~Dantman^(talk) Apr 24, 2007 _@ 00:26 ^(UTC)

Dragon Ball

Yup, I used to watch the series. Though I don't know which Dub it was. I finished the entire Dragon Ball Z series on TV, Watched a portion of Dragon Ball on TV, and watched Dragon Ball GT both a bit on the TV, and I ended up watching some subs to because of how YTV wasen't progressing the series very far. Actually, I think I finished the Dragon Ball GT series. And I've seen the various movies which were also played (Or were those OVA's?). I've just been using Naruto as an example because the best and most active wiki in the WGEP currently is the Narutopedia. Though it's a shame dubs do the same thing they do to Mega Man as they do to Dragon Ball. Mega Man's original name was Rockman, which ended up with the pun of Rockman & Roll (pun: Rock&Roll). And in Dragon Ball there was the change of Bra to Bulla ruining the fact that her family's names have something to do with undergarments. ~Dantman^(talk) Apr 26, 2007 _@ 05:03 ^(UTC)

Angela isn't actually part of the Dragon Ball Wiki community, she's part of the Community Staff, actually... She's the co-founder of Wikia itself. There's no more real feedback needed on adding an administrator, Angela has already added the Bureaucrat and Sysop flags to me, and given AnimeBot the bot flag to hide it's edits. Angela is actually the staff member who usually ends up helping me out with these things. Although, for some reason theres a bug in the system and while it does state that I have those flags, unfortunately the software isn't letting me do any of the admin only actions, so Angela will probably working on getting someone to find out how to fix that. Ya, I could make a higherarchy system based off of Saiyans if we can come up with a good match of Higherarchy to tags. ~Dantman^(talk) Apr 27, 2007 _@ 19:02 ^(UTC)

Yup, the tags are working now. I can do all the normal actions of Deleting, Protecting, etc... I'm going to be looking for some Browser Icons at the moment, and probably some other things. Actually, the truth is if the Dragon Ball Wiki joined the WGEP the Userboxes here would be replaced with better more customized, shared Userboxes. ~Dantman^(talk) Apr 29, 2007 _@ 09:03 ^(UTC)

Reponse to Wikipedia comment

I just want you to know that I apologize if I come off sometimes as careless because I don't respond when you attempt to talk to me. I don't come here very often, I only come here about once or twice a week. I've been frequenting it for the past few days more often because SOMEONE (hence: YOU) has actually started talking to me. I just did some edits on the Goku and Gohan articles here. Someone decided to add SIX pics for one section. ????? The articles still need a lot of work. I also apologize if you already read my messege at Wikipedia of the same context as this one. I also want you to know that I was not blowing you off intentionally, I'm sorry if it came off that way. Tootles! Talk to me whenever you want! Ok?! --MajinSuperVegeta 18:57, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply

Yeah I agree, I'll write the names that way from now on. Yeah about me being a sock puppet on normal wikipedia, basically it involved a corrupt member who was friends with an admin. lol. I can explain it to you but it is 11.50pm over here and a bit tired to write too much now. Thanks Recoome

Comment?

Burdock, what's the point of the null comment  on the redirect pages? ~Dantman^(talk) May 10, 2007 _@ 00:09 ^(UTC)

Yes, that is so the page is unable to be moved there, or so I read. When I was looking up Dragon Ball Z: Budokai 2 on Wikipedia, I saw this in the page history. Apparently, an admin. did that and said so, and that admin. just so happens to proctor the Dragon Ball WikiProject on Wikipedia. Burdock

I find it easier to revert a move than what results when you stop a move from working. Cui and Kiwi had 2 different page histories. Which was most likely a result of either a Cut & Paste move (When someone cuts some text from one page and pasts it into another instead of using Move; This is a GFDL violation because it hides people's contributions) or someone trying to change it to Cui because they wanted it that way, but couldn't move the page there using the move feature, and instead they cut the page and made the other a redirect. As a result of that I had to do a page history merge to fix it. It takes longer to merge 2 histories than it does to revert a move. In fact, revert buttons show up in the move log, so it's even easier. Not to mention that any member can revert a move, while only a Administrator can merge page histories.

P.S: It would be good if anyone told me if they came across any situations where redirects had a page history which should belong to the article that they are redirecting to so that I can merge the histories. ~Dantman^(talk) May 10, 2007 _@ 00:34 ^(UTC)

Ah, I see. So do you find the  to be useless in these matters? If so, I'll discontinue its use. I'll notify you also if there are more double histories like that, Ok? Burdock

It's ok on Wikipedia because they have dozens of administrators who can just keep dealing with that. And also Cut & Paste is caught easier by the members there. But here, where most of what we have is normal users, it's best to do without. Ya, just use the simple redirect form without comment. (I'll actually setup the style of Edittools box used in the WGEP here so it'll make inserting that kind of thing easier). I'll send a bot out to make them normal soon. ~Dantman^(talk) May 10, 2007 _@ 00:49 ^(UTC)

Done, 60 redirect pages changed. If you want to see the edits made you can go to the recent changes and hit "Show bots". ~Dantman^(talk) May 10, 2007 _@ 01:10 ^(UTC)

Those bots are astounding. Alas, I've always been impressed by them. Hey, can the bots do this: provide a fair use rationale (utilise this very one) and a correct fair use template for ALL the existing Dragon Ball images on this wiki, including the ones which I've already provided a template and a fair use rationale? It'll sure save me the work of having to do it all. But, is it even possible? Burdock

Re: Vandal

The note on other vandalism by Prince Zarbon was not about the comments used in the edit summary, but about 5 other articles he created. The reason you can't see them is because I deleted the pages, you can see the names and a short summary of one in the deletion log, when I revert a vandal, check the recent changes to see what's been done, commonly there will be a section of pages which were also deleted during that time. ~Dantman^(talk) May 10, 2007 _@ 00:25 ^(UTC)

That was just... terrible. I honestly didn't know Prince Zarbon did that much. And here I was thinking that you were being a little tough on the new user. I'm sorry for the misunderstandings. And here I was attempting a warm welcome for Zarbon. Hopefully, the user redeems himself. Again, I didn't know he did that much and I apologize for it. Regards - Burdock